Communities

Writing
Writing
Codidact Meta
Codidact Meta
The Great Outdoors
The Great Outdoors
Photography & Video
Photography & Video
Scientific Speculation
Scientific Speculation
Cooking
Cooking
Electrical Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Judaism
Judaism
Languages & Linguistics
Languages & Linguistics
Software Development
Software Development
Mathematics
Mathematics
Christianity
Christianity
Code Golf
Code Golf
Music
Music
Physics
Physics
Linux Systems
Linux Systems
Power Users
Power Users
Tabletop RPGs
Tabletop RPGs
Community Proposals
Community Proposals
tag:snake search within a tag
answers:0 unanswered questions
user:xxxx search by author id
score:0.5 posts with 0.5+ score
"snake oil" exact phrase
votes:4 posts with 4+ votes
created:<1w created < 1 week ago
post_type:xxxx type of post
Search help
Notifications
Mark all as read See all your notifications »
Q&A

Comments on Strange behavior in elections and pie charts

Parent

Strange behavior in elections and pie charts

+2
−1

So, a friend asked me the probability for a candidate to get at least 50% of the total votes in an election consisting of 5 candidates (let's pretend everyone picks at random 🙂). I thought for a bit and then presented an answer:

Let's first generalize so that the election has $n$ candidates.

We can think of the votes cast between candidates as a pie chart with $n$ slices and $n$ borders. We draw one fixed border from the center to the top, and then draw $n-1$ more with randomized positions in the chart. Furthermore, let's say the chart shows the votes acquired by candidate 1, candidate 2, etc from the top going clockwise. Illustration Now, the probability of the first candidate getting $\geq50\%$ of all votes (shaded area) is equivalent to the probability of all $n-1$ lines being on the unshaded side of the disk, which is $\left(\frac12\right)^{n-1}$.

Since this probability should be the same for every candidate, the overall probability of someone getting at least half of all votes cast is $n\cdot\left(\frac12\right)^{n-1}=\frac n{2^{n-1}}$.

I found with some coding that for my pie chart analogy of the problem, this is indeed correct (yeay!).

However, for the original problem... I was absolutely wrong! With some coding (again), I found out that the actual probability is very close to, if not $\frac1{(n-1)!}=\frac n{n!}$.

Why's that? I'm certain it's because the two behave differently, but if that's so I don't get why they do.

What causes this behavior? Has this problem been studied before, and is this perhaps a branch of probability theory?

Thanks in advance!

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.
Why should this post be closed?

0 comment threads

Post
+5
−0

with randomized positions in the chart

Implicit in this description of your model is the notion that every location for a separator line is equally likely. This doesn't describe the actual distribution of vote totals; with random voters, lines are much less likely to appear near other lines than farther away. This is because to have two lines very close to each other, some candidate would have had to have received only a handful of votes; if each voter votes randomly, this is much less likely than a distribution where all candidates have roughly equal votes.

The actual probability that one candidate obtains a majority of votes, for $n > 2$ candidates, depends on the size of your voting population and approaches zero as the population grows, so your other formula isn't correct either. (The number of votes a single candidate receives is a random variable with a binomial distribution, and the standard deviation of a binomial distribution is proportional to the square root of the number of voters, which grows more slowly than the number of votes needed for a majority.)

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.

2 comment threads

Probability approaches zero (6 comments)
Extremes (1 comment)
Extremes
tommi‭ wrote about 1 year ago

As a mathematician, my first instinct is to suggest that if there is only one or two candidates or only one or two voters, the probability for someone to get at least half the votes is quite large. Any formula should be consistent with this.