Communities

Writing
Writing
Codidact Meta
Codidact Meta
The Great Outdoors
The Great Outdoors
Photography & Video
Photography & Video
Scientific Speculation
Scientific Speculation
Cooking
Cooking
Electrical Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Judaism
Judaism
Languages & Linguistics
Languages & Linguistics
Software Development
Software Development
Mathematics
Mathematics
Christianity
Christianity
Code Golf
Code Golf
Music
Music
Physics
Physics
Linux Systems
Linux Systems
Power Users
Power Users
Tabletop RPGs
Tabletop RPGs
Community Proposals
Community Proposals
tag:snake search within a tag
answers:0 unanswered questions
user:xxxx search by author id
score:0.5 posts with 0.5+ score
"snake oil" exact phrase
votes:4 posts with 4+ votes
created:<1w created < 1 week ago
post_type:xxxx type of post
Search help
Notifications
Mark all as read See all your notifications »
Q&A

Post History

#2: Post edited by user avatar DNB‭ · 2021-09-01T08:37:39Z (over 2 years ago)
  • How would you soothsay to rewrite "both girls, ≥ 1 winter girl" as "both girls, ≥ 1 winter child"?
  • How would you intuit, and soothsay to rewrite, "both girls, ≥ 1 winter girl" as "both girls, ≥ 1 winter child"?
  • 1. Please see the red underline. This step feels fey, sibylline! How would you prognosticate to use this fact? I would've never augured to construe "both girls, at least one winter girl" as "both girls, at least one winter child"!
  • 2. What does "the fact that "both girls, at least one winter girl" is
  • the same event as both girls, at least one winter child"" imply about the problem statement? I feel that this fact lets us generalize or broaden the problem statement. Correct?
  • [Adam Bailey's answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/198755) details the calculations.
  • >### Example 2.2.7 (A girl born in winter).
  • >A family has two children. Find the probability
  • that both children are girls, given that at least one of the two is a girl who
  • was born in winter. In addition to the assumptions from Example 2.2.5, assume
  • that the four seasons are equally likely and that gender is independent of season.
  • (This means that knowing the gender gives no information about the probabilities
  • of the seasons, and vice versa; see Section 2.5 for much more about independence.)
  • >![Image alt text](https://math.codidact.com/uploads/HfepkfXREFPtcLKRyCoFGpMc)
  • >
  • >At first this result seems absurd! In Example 2.2.5, the result was that the conditional
  • probability of both children being girls, given that at least one is a girl, is
  • 1/3; why should it be any different when we learn that at least one is a winter-born
  • girl? The point is that information about the birth season brings at least one is
  • a girl" closer to a specific one is a girl". Conditioning on more and more specific
  • information brings the probability closer and closer to 1/2.
  • >
  • >For example, conditioning on at least one is a girl who was born on a March 31
  • at 8:20 pm" comes very close to specifying a child, and learning information about
  • a specific child does not give us information about the other child. The seemingly
  • irrelevant information such as season of birth interpolates between the two parts of
  • Example 2.2.5. Exercise 29 generalizes this example to an arbitrary characteristic
  • that is independent of gender. □
  • Blitzstein. *Introduction to Probability* (2019 2 ed). pp 51-2.
  • 1. Please see the red underline. How can you intuit that "both girls, at least one winter girl" as "both girls, at least one winter child"? I ask this for my 15 y.o.
  • 2. This step feels fey, sibylline! How would you prognosticate to use this fact? We would've never augured to construe "both girls, at least one winter girl" as "both girls, at least one winter child"!
  • [Adam Bailey's answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/198755) details the calculations.
  • >### Example 2.2.7 (A girl born in winter).
  • >A family has two children. Find the probability
  • that both children are girls, given that at least one of the two is a girl who
  • was born in winter. In addition to the assumptions from Example 2.2.5, assume
  • that the four seasons are equally likely and that gender is independent of season.
  • (This means that knowing the gender gives no information about the probabilities
  • of the seasons, and vice versa; see Section 2.5 for much more about independence.)
  • >
  • >![Image alt text](https://math.codidact.com/uploads/HfepkfXREFPtcLKRyCoFGpMc)
  • >
  • >At first this result seems absurd! In Example 2.2.5, the result was that the conditional
  • probability of both children being girls, given that at least one is a girl, is
  • 1/3; why should it be any different when we learn that at least one is a winter-born
  • girl? The point is that information about the birth season brings at least one is
  • a girl" closer to a specific one is a girl". Conditioning on more and more specific
  • information brings the probability closer and closer to 1/2.
  • >
  • >For example, conditioning on at least one is a girl who was born on a March 31
  • at 8:20 pm" comes very close to specifying a child, and learning information about
  • a specific child does not give us information about the other child. The seemingly
  • irrelevant information such as season of birth interpolates between the two parts of
  • Example 2.2.5. Exercise 29 generalizes this example to an arbitrary characteristic
  • that is independent of gender. □
  • Blitzstein. *Introduction to Probability* (2019 2 ed). pp 51-2.
#1: Initial revision by user avatar DNB‭ · 2021-09-01T08:35:52Z (over 2 years ago)
How would you soothsay to rewrite "both girls, ≥ 1 winter girl" as "both girls, ≥ 1 winter child"?
1. Please see the red underline. This step feels fey, sibylline! How would you prognosticate to use this fact? I would've never augured to construe "both girls, at least one winter girl" as "both girls, at least one winter child"!

2. What does "the fact that "both girls, at least one winter girl" is
the same event as both girls, at least one winter child"" imply about the problem statement? I feel that this fact lets us generalize or broaden the problem statement. Correct?

[Adam Bailey's answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/198755) details the calculations. 

>### Example 2.2.7 (A girl born in winter).    
>A family has two children. Find the probability
that both children are girls, given that at least one of the two is a girl who
was born in winter. In addition to the assumptions from Example 2.2.5, assume
that the four seasons are equally likely and that gender is independent of season.
(This means that knowing the gender gives no information about the probabilities
of the seasons, and vice versa; see Section 2.5 for much more about independence.)

>![Image alt text](https://math.codidact.com/uploads/HfepkfXREFPtcLKRyCoFGpMc)
>
>At first this result seems absurd! In Example 2.2.5, the result was that the conditional
probability of both children being girls, given that at least one is a girl, is
1/3; why should it be any different when we learn that at least one is a winter-born
girl? The point is that information about the birth season brings at least one is
a girl" closer to a specific one is a girl". Conditioning on more and more specific
information brings the probability closer and closer to 1/2.
>
>For example, conditioning on at least one is a girl who was born on a March 31
at 8:20 pm" comes very close to specifying a child, and learning information about
a specific child does not give us information about the other child. The seemingly
irrelevant information such as season of birth interpolates between the two parts of
Example 2.2.5. Exercise 29 generalizes this example to an arbitrary characteristic
that is independent of gender. □

Blitzstein. *Introduction to Probability* (2019 2 ed). pp 51-2.