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#3: Post edited
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DNB
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2021-08-10T00:28:38Z (over 3 years ago)
- Here I'm asking solely about the circle pictograms. Please eschew numbers as much as possible. Please explain using solely the circle pictograms. Undeniably, I'm NOT asking about how to multiply numbers.
- I don't understand 
- 1. How do I "visually" multiply Circle 1 (representing $P(D)$) by Circle 2 ($P(+|D)$) into Circle 3 ($P(+ \cap D)$)?
- 2. The red shaded areas in Circles 1 and 2 disappear in Circle 3, but how does this pictorialize multiplication?
- 3. Pictorially, how do the $\color{red}{9 \; +s}$ reduce to $\color{red}{3 \; +s}$?
- 4. Why does the shaded gray area increase in Circle 3?
- I first precis the [problem statement and percentages](https://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule/?l=693). Abbreviate Disease to D, positive test result to +. 1. The website postulates P(D) = 20%, P(+|D) = 90%, P(+|D^C) = 30%. What fraction of patients who tested positive are diseased?
- >3/7 or 43%, quickly obtainable as follows: In the screened population, there's 1 sick patient for 4 healthy patients. Sick patients are 3 times more likely to turn the tongue depressor black than healthy patients. $(1:4)⋅(3:1)=(3:4)$ or 3 sick patients to 4 healthy patients among those that turn the tongue depressor black, corresponding to a probability of 3/7=43% that the patient is sick.
- >Using red for sick, blue for healthy, grey for a mix of sick and healthy patients, and + signs for positive test results, the proof above can be visualized as follows:
- >
- "the proof above" refers to the Odds form of Bayes's Rule. For clarity, I replace the website's $H_j$ with $D$, $H_k$ with $D^C$ and $e_0$ with $+$.
$\dfrac{P(D)}{P(D^C)} \times \dfrac{\color{red}P(+|D)} {\color{deepskyblue}{P(+|D^C)}} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)}{P(+ \cap D^C)} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)/P(+)}{P(+ \cap D^C)/P(+)} = \dfrac{P(D|+)}{P(D^C|+)}$.
- Here I'm asking solely about the circle pictograms. Please eschew numbers as much as possible. Please explain using solely the circle pictograms. Undeniably, I'm NOT asking about how to multiply numbers.
- I don't understand 
- 1. How do I "visually" multiply Circle 1 (representing $P(D)$) by Circle 2 ($P(+|D)$) into Circle 3 ($P(+ \cap D)$)?
- 2. The red shaded areas in Circles 1 and 2 disappear in Circle 3, but how does this pictorialize multiplication?
- 3. Pictorially, how do the $\color{red}{9 \; +s}$ reduce to $\color{red}{3 \; +s}$?
- 4. Why does the shaded gray area increase in Circle 3?
- I first precis the [problem statement and percentages](https://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule/?l=693). Abbreviate Disease to D, positive test result to +. 1. The website postulates P(D) = 20%, P(+|D) = 90%, P(+|D^C) = 30%. What fraction of patients who tested positive are diseased?
- >3/7 or 43%, quickly obtainable as follows: In the screened population, there's 1 sick patient for 4 healthy patients. Sick patients are 3 times more likely to turn the tongue depressor black than healthy patients. $(1:4)⋅(3:1)=(3:4)$ or 3 sick patients to 4 healthy patients among those that turn the tongue depressor black, corresponding to a probability of 3/7=43% that the patient is sick.
- >Using red for sick, blue for healthy, grey for a mix of sick and healthy patients, and + signs for positive test results, the proof above can be visualized as follows:
- >
- "the proof above" refers to the Odds form of Bayes's Rule. For clarity, I replace the website's $H_j$ with $D$, $H_k$ with $D^C$ and $e_0$ with $+$.
- $\dfrac{P(D)}{P(D^C)} \times \dfrac{\color{red}P(+|D)} {\color{deepskyblue}{P(+|D^C)}} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)}{P(+ \cap D^C)} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)/P(+)}{P(+ \cap D^C)/P(+)} = \dfrac{P(D|+)}{P(D^C|+)}$
#2: Post edited
by
DNB
·
2021-08-10T00:27:49Z (over 3 years ago)
- Here I'm asking solely about the circle pictograms. Please eschew numbers as much as possible. Please explain using solely the circle pictograms. Undeniably, I'm NOT asking about how to multiply numbers.
- I don't understand 
- 1. How do I "visually" multiply Circle 1 (representing $P(D)$) by Circle 2 ($P(+|D)$) into Circle 3 ($P(+ \cap D)$)?
- 2. The red shaded areas in Circles 1 and 2 disappear in Circle 3, but how does this pictorialize multiplication?
- 3. Pictorially, how do the $\color{red}{9 \; +s}$ reduce to $\color{red}{3 \; +s}$?
- 4. Why does the shaded gray area increase in Circle 3?
- I first precis the [problem statement and percentages](https://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule/?l=693). Abbreviate Disease to D, positive test result to +. 1. The website postulates P(D) = 20%, P(+|D) = 90%, P(+|D^C) = 30%. What fraction of patients who tested positive are diseased?
- >3/7 or 43%, quickly obtainable as follows: In the screened population, there's 1 sick patient for 4 healthy patients. Sick patients are 3 times more likely to turn the tongue depressor black than healthy patients. $(1:4)⋅(3:1)=(3:4)$ or 3 sick patients to 4 healthy patients among those that turn the tongue depressor black, corresponding to a probability of 3/7=43% that the patient is sick.
- >Using red for sick, blue for healthy, grey for a mix of sick and healthy patients, and + signs for positive test results, the proof above can be visualized as follows:
- >
- "the proof above" refers to the Odds form of Bayes's Rule. For clarity, I replace the website's $H_j$ with $D$, $H_k$ with $D^C$ and $e_0$ with $+$.
$\dfrac{P(D)}{P(D^C)} \times \dfrac{\color{red}P(+|D)} {\color{skyblue}{P(+|D^C)}} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)}{P(+ \cap D^C)} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)/P(+)}{P(+ \cap D^C)/P(+)} = \dfrac{P(D|+)}{P(D^C|+)}$.
- Here I'm asking solely about the circle pictograms. Please eschew numbers as much as possible. Please explain using solely the circle pictograms. Undeniably, I'm NOT asking about how to multiply numbers.
- I don't understand 
- 1. How do I "visually" multiply Circle 1 (representing $P(D)$) by Circle 2 ($P(+|D)$) into Circle 3 ($P(+ \cap D)$)?
- 2. The red shaded areas in Circles 1 and 2 disappear in Circle 3, but how does this pictorialize multiplication?
- 3. Pictorially, how do the $\color{red}{9 \; +s}$ reduce to $\color{red}{3 \; +s}$?
- 4. Why does the shaded gray area increase in Circle 3?
- I first precis the [problem statement and percentages](https://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule/?l=693). Abbreviate Disease to D, positive test result to +. 1. The website postulates P(D) = 20%, P(+|D) = 90%, P(+|D^C) = 30%. What fraction of patients who tested positive are diseased?
- >3/7 or 43%, quickly obtainable as follows: In the screened population, there's 1 sick patient for 4 healthy patients. Sick patients are 3 times more likely to turn the tongue depressor black than healthy patients. $(1:4)⋅(3:1)=(3:4)$ or 3 sick patients to 4 healthy patients among those that turn the tongue depressor black, corresponding to a probability of 3/7=43% that the patient is sick.
- >Using red for sick, blue for healthy, grey for a mix of sick and healthy patients, and + signs for positive test results, the proof above can be visualized as follows:
- >
- "the proof above" refers to the Odds form of Bayes's Rule. For clarity, I replace the website's $H_j$ with $D$, $H_k$ with $D^C$ and $e_0$ with $+$.
- $\dfrac{P(D)}{P(D^C)} \times \dfrac{\color{red}P(+|D)} {\color{deepskyblue}{P(+|D^C)}} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)}{P(+ \cap D^C)} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)/P(+)}{P(+ \cap D^C)/P(+)} = \dfrac{P(D|+)}{P(D^C|+)}$.
#1: Initial revision
by
DNB
·
2021-08-10T00:27:13Z (over 3 years ago)
How to visualize multiplication in the Odds form of Bayes's Theorem?
Here I'm asking solely about the circle pictograms. Please eschew numbers as much as possible. Please explain using solely the circle pictograms. Undeniably, I'm NOT asking about how to multiply numbers.
I don't understand 
1. How do I "visually" multiply Circle 1 (representing $P(D)$) by Circle 2 ($P(+|D)$) into Circle 3 ($P(+ \cap D)$)?
2. The red shaded areas in Circles 1 and 2 disappear in Circle 3, but how does this pictorialize multiplication?
3. Pictorially, how do the $\color{red}{9 \; +s}$ reduce to $\color{red}{3 \; +s}$?
4. Why does the shaded gray area increase in Circle 3?
I first precis the [problem statement and percentages](https://arbital.com/p/bayes_rule/?l=693). Abbreviate Disease to D, positive test result to +. 1. The website postulates P(D) = 20%, P(+|D) = 90%, P(+|D^C) = 30%. What fraction of patients who tested positive are diseased?
>3/7 or 43%, quickly obtainable as follows: In the screened population, there's 1 sick patient for 4 healthy patients. Sick patients are 3 times more likely to turn the tongue depressor black than healthy patients. $(1:4)⋅(3:1)=(3:4)$ or 3 sick patients to 4 healthy patients among those that turn the tongue depressor black, corresponding to a probability of 3/7=43% that the patient is sick.
>Using red for sick, blue for healthy, grey for a mix of sick and healthy patients, and + signs for positive test results, the proof above can be visualized as follows:
>
"the proof above" refers to the Odds form of Bayes's Rule. For clarity, I replace the website's $H_j$ with $D$, $H_k$ with $D^C$ and $e_0$ with $+$.
$\dfrac{P(D)}{P(D^C)} \times \dfrac{\color{red}P(+|D)} {\color{skyblue}{P(+|D^C)}} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)}{P(+ \cap D^C)} = \dfrac{P(+ \cap D)/P(+)}{P(+ \cap D^C)/P(+)} = \dfrac{P(D|+)}{P(D^C|+)}$.