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Why $\color{red}{k\dbinom{k}{1}} \neq$ "first choose the k team members and then choose one of time to be captain"?

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Because you "first choose the k team members and then choose one of time to be captain", shouldn’t the RHS be $\color{red}{k\dbinom{k}{1}}$? The captain is chosen from the $k$ team members already chosen.

$\color{forestgreen}{k\dbinom{n}{k}}$ appears wrong to me, because this means that you're choosing the captain from the original group of $n$ people.

Example 1.5.2 (The team captain).

For any positive integers n and k with $k \le n$, $n\dbinom{n - 1}{k - 1} = \color{forestgreen}{k\dbinom{n}{k}}$.

This is again easy to check algebraically (using the fact that $m! = m(m - 1)!$ for any positive integer $m$), but a story proof is more insightful.

Story proof : Consider a group of n people, from which a team of k will be chosen, one of whom will be the team captain. To specify a possibility, we could first choose the team captain and then choose the remaining $k - 1$ team members; this gives the left-hand side. Equivalently, we could first choose the k team members and then choose one of them to be captain; this gives the right-hand side. $\square$

Blitzstein. Introduction to Probability (2019 2 ed). Pages 20-21.

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$(^n_k)$ is the number of ways to choose $k$ team members from $n$ players.

$k$ is the number of ways to choose one captain from $k$ team members. (It isn't the number of ways to choose a captain from the original group of people, as you suggested; that would be $n$.)

$k(^n_k)$ is the product of the two, which is the number of ways to do both independently.

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The issue here appears to be that the English syntax differs from the order of the terms on the RHS? ... (2 comments)
The issue here appears to be that the English syntax differs from the order of the terms on the RHS? ...
DNB‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

The issue here appears to be that the English syntax differs from the order of the terms on the RHS? I misconstrued "we could first choose the k team members" as $k$, and "then choose one of them to be captain" as $\dbinom{n}{k}$.

r~~‭ wrote over 3 years ago

An understandable mistake, but one you perhaps could have caught yourself if you had thought about your own interpretation a little more. $k$ doesn't make sense as the number of ways to choose $k$ team members, any more than $(^n_k)$ makes sense as the number of ways to choose one of them to be captain. If you had considered that, you would have arrived at $(^n_k)(^k_1)$ as your answer, and maybe you could have seen that this is equivalent to $k(^n_k)$.